Curse

Chev of Hardass · Jun 24, 2005, 06:46 PM // 18:46

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Originally Posted by Snowman

I think the idea WAS to take out the value, and STOP people for farming so that everyone can access these runes.. not just those people who have the time to farm.

Your complaining about not being able to do something which, to me, they deliberatly wanted to stop.

Rune drops are not there to make you rich :-/

The Snowman

Ahemmm, where do you think all the runes that you are buying are coming from? I know when they first introduced the rune trader, they were always out of certian runes. Those runes seem to be in stock lately.

I must have dumped 150 or so runes into that trader in the last week and a half, alone. So why are you complaining that you can go buy a minor strength for 120 gold? Just let those that farm for YOUR runes get a little bit of payback.

I sold a Superior Tactics to the trader today for 292 gold. That is insulting. But, I still did it.

Set a minimum price for runes. That is the answer. Maybe we (the Rune Farmers) could cut off the supply of runes and see what happens. We could regular salvage every rune. We could contol the price of runes again and all you that cannot farm for runes could eat our prices.

That's not a threat, just an open idea sent out there to remind those complaining about farming.

Rasp · Jun 24, 2005, 06:48 PM // 18:48

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Originally Posted by Ba Ne

That's just playing the game my friend. From Ascalon City to Droknar's Forge with several missions done more than once for various reasons. That's it. No farming, no grinding, just "playing the game as it's meant to be played" wherever the story would take me.

Pretty pathetic, don't you think?

Oh, and look me up sometime. I'd like to earn 5k an hour too please.

BTW: I used the 15k armor as an example because it's the most expensive thing you can buy that has a fixed price. The point being either 1. there's not enough reward being given out for the amount of content or 2. there's not enough content for the amount of reward being given out.

Hmm... I made 30k'ish from just 'playing the game as it was intended' from start to scratch. ( I Haven't even finished Ring of Fire, nor ever been inside UW or FoW). The thing is, I don't spend all my money on useless armors/weapons/etc. I can live without them, and I did. My roomate, we play with henchies together to complete the game, has earned roughly 20k from start to finish. They're a warrior, so we actually spent money buying Chaos Axe, high priced armors (not 15k), etc..

If you want money, try to solo a few of the Lions Arch > Desert Maps for a few hours. It's extremely easy to make money, just seems people would rather complain on the forums than take the same time finding the money.

I like to think of GW PvE as an MMORPG. It takes TIME/effort to be rich. I can't think of any other single game, where it's so easy to get your FINAL armors.

Algren Cole · Jun 24, 2005, 06:49 PM // 18:49

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Originally Posted by Chev of Hardass

Ahemmm, where do you think all the runes that you are buying are coming from? I know when they first introduced the rune trader, they were always out of certian runes. Those runes seem to be in stock lately.

I must have dumped 150 or so runes into that trader in the last week and a half, alone. So why are you complaining that you can go buy a minor strength for 120 gold? Just let those that farm for YOUR runes get a little bit of payback.

I sold a Superior Tactics to the trader today for 292 gold. That is insulting. But, I still did it.

Set a minimum price for runes. That is the answer. Maybe we (the Rune Farmers) could cut off the supply of runes and see what happens. We could regular salvage every rune. We could contol the price of runes again and all you that cannot farm for runes could eat our prices.

That's not a threat, just an open idea sent out there to remind those complaining about farming.

I don't sell runes to the trader. if I can't sell them (for a reasonable price) to a player I just trash them. It might be a futile effort....but I'm not contributing to ideaology that inserting a "this trader" or "that trader" is going to help the economy at all....it's just going to make the game easier for people that don't want to have to play it.

Cap'n Hoek · Jun 24, 2005, 06:49 PM // 18:49

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

I don't have any idea who you are...nor have I ever included a specific user in a generalization on this forum...stop trolling

Do you really need to be educated here?

When you say "they scurry to patch every little thing two or more of you find to complain about" in YOUR reply directed towards MY post, I think it's pretty obvious.

Or we can just pretend it never happened. Either way, your choice.

Algren Cole · Jun 24, 2005, 06:51 PM // 18:51

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Originally Posted by Cap'n Hoek

Do you really need to be educated here?

When you say "they scurry to patch every little thing two or more of you find to complain about" in YOUR reply directed towards MY post, I think it's pretty obvious.

Or we can just pretend it never happened. Either way, your choice.

I was replying to your post....are you confused?

Fire Childe · Jun 24, 2005, 06:52 PM // 18:52

this is just my 2 cents:

i have finished the entire pve side of the game and all the bonuses that currently work, with the exception of seaboard and divinity.

right now i play almost exclusively, underworld and fissure.

i am also saving for the fissure armour.

shards and ectoplasm vary in cost but typically they veer between 3k and 4k depending on the trader value which fluctuates daily but which normally stays inside this price bracket. lets assume the average and say you can aquire each glob and shard for 3.5k

for a full set of fissure warrior armour i need the following:

75k (15k per peice)
400 iron (150 for chest, 100 for leggings, 50 for gloves, boots, helm)
128 tanned hides (48 for chest, 32 for leggings, 16 for gloves, boots, helm)
120 globs of ectoplasm (45 for chest, 30 for leggings, 15 for gloves, boots, helm)
120 obsidian shards (45 for chest, 30 for leggings, 15 for gloves, boots, helm)

120 globs of ecto x 3.5k = 420k

120 shards x 3.5k = another 420k

net total = 420k + 420k + 75k + 400 iron/128 tanned hides

this adds up to a grand total of: 915k + material costs

i have bought the hauberk fissure peice but cant afford the rest. i now have 3k in gold. 3 ecto and thats pretty much it really.

of the 48 ecto and 45 shards i have obtained thus far. less than 1/3rd of those were aquired through 'normal' play in underworld and fissure.

the drop rate for ecto and shards in both areas respectively is fairly low - about 4 to 5 per hour of play, divided by 8 people. it is quite common for me to play 1 hour and 45 minutes of fissure (the time it takes our groups to complete all the forge related quests and open the crafter) and only get 1 or 2 shards at most.

most of the shards and ecto you will accrue for fissure armour will be from purchases via the rare material trader or from other people. the drop rate for shards is too low at the moment for anyone to seriously consider obtaining fissure armour solely by collecting the materials by playing fissure and underworld. it would take months.

and this is not the only thing that i spend money on. there are secondary profession skills to unlock which costs gold as well as item purchases other than ecto and shards.

for the average person that plays predominantly pve and only casual pvp play, there are remarkably few ways of making over a million gold through 'normal' play in less than the time it takes to create an expansion for this game (which will more than likely have more armours at equally high prices).

now. i have no desire to rip newbies off by selling them them 3/1 vampiric bow strings for 25k, and even then, most wouldnt fall for it anyway. i have difficulty selling items even at much lower than average prices. maybe im not persuasive or rude enough or something. but i get lowballed constantly form people determined to get the better end of the bargain.

in trying to get fissure armour and unlock some secondary skills i have pretty much blown all the gold i ever had and at this stage in the game, the only way of getting money is to repeat missions ive already done several times. grind underworld or fissure. which i have done far too much of already.

or farm.

i personally find farming in this game to be a demeaning and boring play experience and i try to avoid it wherever possible. but for myself and a few people i know that set out to buy fissure armour we really have only got this left to do on the pve side. ill repeat missions with guildmates who need to get through sure. thats 'normal' play i would consider. i did tombs for a bit, but like underworld and fissure, it really burns you out after a while. and the whole experience starts to feel grindy.

im currently broke and i dont really know of any ways of making the significant amount of gold i require for the rest of my fissure set. i need roughly in the region of 600k.

making money from sigil farming the hall of heroes isnt really possible in my guild because most of us are casual pvp players. it is very difficult to make gold in pve without grinding missions you have already done before. grinding uw/fiss or just plain all out exploiting runs of creatures that drop better than average loot. either way you are farming something. its tedious work but its the most reliable and arguably the quickest way of getting gold. and it is continually being made harder for pve players to do this.

Rasp · Jun 24, 2005, 06:53 PM // 18:53

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Originally Posted by Cap'n Hoek

Do you really need to be educated here?

When you say "they scurry to patch every little thing two or more of you find to complain about" in YOUR reply directed towards MY post, I think it's pretty obvious.

Or we can just pretend it never happened. Either way, your choice.

You're not complaining?

It's raining cows here too, seriously.

Cap'n Hoek · Jun 24, 2005, 06:55 PM // 18:55

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

....it's just going to make the game easier for people that don't want to have to play it.

Maybe it's going back to that thing they said...about this game NOT BEING ABOUT GRIND!

Seems that you are the one who is confused, young grasshopper.

Rasp · Jun 24, 2005, 06:57 PM // 18:57

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Originally Posted by Cap'n Hoek

Maybe it's going back to that thing they said...about this game NOT BEING ABOUT GRIND!

Seems that you are the one who is confused, young grasshopper.

It's not about a Grind. YOU are making this into a grind. You do NOT need the 15k armors.

Again, it's all in YOUR head. The grind is brought upon players by themselves being greedy, and want want want.

Clear your mind and relax, young grasshopper. It'll all come to you.

Sandman Uk · Jun 24, 2005, 06:58 PM // 18:58

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Originally Posted by Snowman

And you dont enjoy that exploring if you dont make any money?..

Thats what I cant understand! I Explore because I want to see everything and do everything.. I'm the kind of person that MUST have 100% on the 'Game progress' Bar. and MUST have explored every inch.

Ive explored everywhere possible if there was a /fog of war clearence command it would say 90% cleared the other 10% is not accesable. But you can only take in the scenary so much.

Then its yes I want something to show for running around for 3 hours grinding/farming call it what you like . Runes are worthless now unless you hit a Sup vigor or absorb the rest you can buy for a few 100 gold.

Great post Raider least im not the only one who thinks the games brilliant but were being screwed and not rewarded for the hours we put in.

Should say on the box Suitable for under 8s only

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Originally Posted by Rasp

It's not about a Grind. YOU are making this into a grind. You do NOT need the 15k armors.

Again, it's all in YOUR head. The grind is brought upon players by themselves being greedy, and want want want.

So why put it there if you dont want people to go for it. If its there then people will go for it. If there was 1mil plat armour that had the same stats as 1.5k armour people would buy it still because theres nothing else to spend your gold on. Ive set out to be the best I can be.

Whats the goal after you have finished the game if you dont strive to have the best of everything thats available, even if its only status symbol with the armour.

Ba Ne · Jun 24, 2005, 07:00 PM // 19:00

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Originally Posted by Eclair

Hmmm, do you salvage most of the armors into leather/iron ingots? You can horde those and save them until the material traders buy them for 100+, then sell them.

A easy way to make money is try farming the trolls outside of droknar's forge. (farming as in solo farming) There's a thread on it a few pages back.

Yes I do. I keep the materials that I may need for future armors and sell the rest. If I come across a good item that my character has no use for I try to sell it to other players for awhile, but that's just plain boring imo and I end up selling it to a merchant eventually.

Thanks for the troll tip. Perhaps I'll give it a try.

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Originally Posted by Rasp

If you want money, try to solo a few of the Lions Arch > Desert Maps for a few hours. It's extremely easy to make money, just seems people would rather complain on the forums than take the same time finding the money.

People seem to still be missing the point here. What you suggest would be grinding/farming which ANet says we should not have to do. Unfortunately that's a false claim on their part. Therein lies the problem. Either adjust that which is not obtainable through normal means, or adjust the normal means to make it obtainable.

Aug · Jun 24, 2005, 07:01 PM // 19:01

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Set a minimum price for runes. That is the answer. Maybe we (the Rune Farmers) could cut off the supply of runes and see what happens. We could regular salvage every rune. We could contol the price of runes again and all you that cannot farm for runes could eat our prices.

What was the question? How to make getting the 15k armor trivial? Because you're right, that's the answer to that question.

You can still pick up at least 5 purple and 1-2 gold armors doing Riverside Giant runs in an hour (a run takes about 8-10 minutes, and you'll almost always get at least 1 purple, and usually 2 or 3). At 1k per major and 5k per superior, you're talking about roughly 2 hours of 'farming' per piece of 15k armor.

Do you honestly want anyone to be able to get their 15k armor with less than 10 hours of effort?

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People seem to still be missing the point here. What you suggest would be grinding/farming which ANet says we should not have to do. Unfortunately that's a false claim on their part. Therein lies the problem. Either take out that which is not obtainable through normal means, or adjust the normal means to make it obtainable.

The 15k armor was not meant to be obtainable just by completing the game. That armor is for the addicts. The hardcore PvEers. Not the casual gamer that spent 100-200 hours in game and put the game down after they finished Hell's Precipice.

The 15k armor is there for those who've spent 400+ hours in game, run FoW/UW half a dozen times, or done tons of exploration.

Algren Cole · Jun 24, 2005, 07:02 PM // 19:02

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Originally Posted by Cap'n Hoek

Maybe it's going back to that thing they said...about this game NOT BEING ABOUT GRIND!

Seems that you are the one who is confused, young grasshopper.

I have no idea what you're talking about....and I'm quite certain you don't either.

Rasp · Jun 24, 2005, 07:02 PM // 19:02

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Originally Posted by Sandman Uk

Ive explored everywhere possible if there was a /fog of war clearence command it would say 90% cleared the other 10% is not accesable. But you can only take in the scenary so much.

Then its yes I want something to show for running around for 3 hours grinding/farming call it what you like . Runes are worthless now unless you hit a Sup vigor or absorb the rest you can buy for a few 100 gold.

Great post Raider least im not the only one who thinks the games brilliant but were being screwed and not rewarded for the hours we put in.

Should say on the box Suitable for under 8s only

Maybe you should take a second and find your retail box and re-read it. Mine says

' Your skill will be your legend ' ' You'll prove your worth with every battle as skill, not hours played, decides your fate. Whether battling horrific monsters or competing at the highest levels of tournament play, it will always be your skill that earns you victory or defeat '

If you want a game that rewards hours played, then ' http://www.mmorpg.com ' I'm sure you can find more than 50 games that cater your style.

Fire Childe · Jun 24, 2005, 07:03 PM // 19:03

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Originally Posted by Rasp

It's not about a Grind. YOU are making this into a grind. You do NOT need the 15k armors.

Again, it's all in YOUR head. The grind is brought upon players by themselves being greedy, and want want want.

Clear your mind and relax, young grasshopper. It'll all come to you.

you are of course correct in a way.

but i ask you.

if you play predominantly pve. what seriously is there to do once you have completed all the missions, got that elusive storm bow and that bow string you wanted for it. and played fissure and underworld a bunch till you got bored?

once you have the weapons you need and a bunch of skills unlocked, there is *nothing* left to do pve side other than customise your character. go and buy armour. etc. its like a new goal you can set yourself albeit you are limited in choice and all are expensive. the fissure set is especially, horrendously expensive. but the other alternative is to...do what?

buy GTA: SA and play that instead? hardly a viable alternative although it would certainly work.

Loviatar · Jun 24, 2005, 07:03 PM // 19:03

as an experiment i made a quick run in the first part of the game stopping when my salvage kit ran out and the inventory was full

30 minutes got me just over 1 plat and i didnt get any dyes on this trip

that is 2 plat an hour without any real effort and no henchies

if it makes any difference i am an elemonk

as for plans for the game it is less than 2 months old

give them some time to iron out the wrinkles before yelling it is broken

they are planning for the long term not the next 5 minutes or heavens all the way out to next week

Cap'n Hoek · Jun 24, 2005, 07:04 PM // 19:04

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Originally Posted by Rasp

You're not complaining?

It's raining cows here too, seriously.

Please indicate a single post of mine that contains a complaint I have made regarding this game or ANet. Feel free to insert foot in mouth at any time.

Now, if you're referring to the playerbase, sure, I have my issues there. Too bad they can't patch that.

Mistress Dasha · Jun 24, 2005, 07:04 PM // 19:04

hmm reading these posts kinda makes me wonder.. to those that want more gold to buy the best armor.. what will you do once you obtain the best armor/weapons...

Aug · Jun 24, 2005, 07:06 PM // 19:06

As Mistress Dasha pointed out... what are you PvEers going to do when they make acquiring the 15k armor trivial? That accomplishment is essentially the LAST thing there is in the game. Once you've done that, there is no more to do!

Basically you're complaining that the 'last milestone' is too far away.

Algren Cole · Jun 24, 2005, 07:07 PM // 19:07

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Originally Posted by Aug

As Mistress Dasha pointed out... what are you PvEers going to do when they make acquiring the 15k armor trivial? That accomplishment is essentially the LAST thing there is in the game. Once you've done that, there is no more to do!

Basically you're complaining that the 'last milestone' is too far away.

I've been thinking the same thing this entire thread...but didn't want to say anything in hopes that they'd eventually realize it.